#Pizzagate, Clinton, & Podesta: What is it, and is it credible?

Some may have noticed the hashtag #Pizzagate around the Internet lately and aren’t sure what it’s all about. So, what is #Pizzagate? In the post that follows, I will provide a #Pizzagate summary, explain what’s been found so far, and give my own conclusion on whether or not you should be paying closer attention.

(Note: Was #Pizzagate debunked by the New York Times, Snopes, the Washington Post, and other major outlets? Learn more here.)

First off, forgive the length — quite a bit of context and explanation is required to do an explanation of the “#Pizzagate” phenomenon justice. Also, a disclaimer: In addition to being difficult to digest, much of the research into #Pizzagate was originally being conducted by web sleuths who supported Donald Trump for president; a pool of people that has now expanded dramatically. I only mention that because those with anti-Trump sentiments seem especially at risk for a knee-jerk rejection of the theories involved. However, keep in consideration that information gleaned by someone with a pro-Trump viewpoint does not necessarily invailidate the significance of the facts and connections uncovered. Forget their voting habits and other assumptions you may have about them for a moment, and just consider the following with an open mind so you’re equipped to judge it on its own merits. The work of the researchers reflects a recognition that similar scandals have happened on both sides of the political aisle, and are completely bipartisan.

Now, some necessary background.

As you likely know, Wikileaks published emails that were hacked from Hillary Clinton’s private email server, along with a huge series of email dumps from her campaign chairman John Podesta’s account. Podesta isn’t just a Clinton campaign chairman, he’s a long-time political operative rated as one of Washington’s most influential people.

Unsurprisingly, the majority of the contents from emails associated with the two leaks are mundane. But web sleuths on Reddit and 4Chan, two discussion board websites, found something strange buried within the email dumps: nonsensical references to pizza.

For a bit of context, Reddit is more “mainstream,” so to speak, while 4Chan is rather infamous for its reputation for being a stronghold for, among other things, the sharing of depraved and illegal content.

Further digging into the emails found similarly strange references to pasta, along with some other words peppered strangely into nonsense sentence constructions. Regardless of what they actually mean, the only explanation that makes logical sense to anyone who has read the messages in question is this: they’re speaking in code. About what, we can’t be certain. But read the messages in question below to see for yourself:

In perhaps the strangest of the emails suspected of containing codewords, Podesta and another party are discussing a “handkerchief” he left at a house rented for a private event of some kind:

Re: Did you leave a handkerchief

From:john.podesta@gmail.com
To: ses@sandlerfoundation.org Date: 2014-09-04 02:28
Subject: Re: Did you leave a handkerchief
It’s mine, but not worth worrying about.

Remember how I mentioned 4Chan having a blemish on its history for being a platform where illegal depravity was being shared? Well, according to longtime 4Channers, the strangely-worded messages were chock full of very well-established early Internet and “Deep Web” codewords for child porn, pedophilia, and BDSM. Here’s how they break it down:

Handkerchief — BDSM code, different colors have different meanings but black indicates sadomasochism
Pillow — Prostitute
Cheese Pizza — Child pornography
Cheese — Child
Sauce — Orgy
Pasta — Boy
Hot Dog — Boy
Ice Cream — Male prostitute
Walnut — Young girl’s gentialia (or possibly an African-American)
Dominos — BDSM domination
Chicken — Young boy

The next post shows a couple of workers looking down a sizeable hole in the floor, assumedly somewhere in Comet Ping Pong. If this is true then the work was done illegally and off the record, as records indicate Alefantis never filed for a construction permit for any work on the restaurant.comethole

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And then the following oddity, showing what appears to be a trio of adolescents, one female and two male, kneeling in esoteric garb and masks. Ignore the last commenter, who is a troll who took it upon themselves to post accusatory messages in response to the #Pizzagate allegations:

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The next post is a close-up of a baby, with Alefantis commenting “#hotard,” a slang term meaning a girl, or “ho,” who is retarded and slutty. Given the fact that the image shows an infant, at best, this seems extremely inappropriate.

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Numerous other posts contain inexplicable references to children and explicit sex.

When speaking to the BBC recently about the theories that Comet Ping Pong’s basement is somehow implicated in child trafficking, Alefantis told the reporter that Pizzagate researchers have been unable to get basic facts straight, as Comet Ping Pong has no basement. However, this directly contradicts a claim he made when interviewed for a 2015 article by Metro Weekly, in which he says Comet Ping Pong does indeed have a basement, used to store supplies. This would be normal for a restaurant, but what is abnormal is his self-contradiction about a basic feature of his own eatery:

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Lastly, Alefantis displayed a curious choice for his Instagram profile picture given the other content he had been sharing: an image of the Bust of Antinous, from the Prado Museum in Madrid:

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So just who was Antinous? He was the teenage lover of Hadrian, a Roman emperor, thought to be between 13-18 during his time as a sexual partner and servant to the emperor. Pederasty is known to historians to have been accepted and very common in ancient Rome, and the Wikipedia page for Antinous refers to historian and author Royston Lambert’s claim that sculptures of him represent one of the ancient world’s “most elevated and ideal monuments to pederastic love.” He is also assoicated with cult worship of Osiris; the Egyptian god of death, the underworld, renewal, and other concepts involving death and rebirth. Furthermore, some historians believe Antinous died as part of a ritual human sacrifice, though this is not known for certain.

Why did Alefantis carry enough interest in this favored boy-lover of an ancient Roman emperor to use him as his Instagram profile picture? Is he merely a fan of the art, and if so, what about the busts of Antinous interested him over many other extremely aesthetically-similar sculptures from the era?

Pedophile Symbols and “Artistic” References

Next door to Comet Ping Pong is another pizza joint called Besta Pizza. And the Besta Pizza logo, which was quietly changed after the research began, is extremely similar to known symbols used in underground pedophilia communities. See the FBI’s listing of pedophile symbols on the left, from an unclassified FBI document. On the right are both Besta Pizza logos, including the new version that appeared after the #Pizzagate research began:

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At Comet Ping Pong, researchers noted similarities with symbols on the menu as well (although this reporter found the Comet Ping Pong logo’s resemblance far less compelling):

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However, in a decidedly creepy artistic performance at Comet Ping Pong, an audience member can be seen with a ring with a strong resemblance to the “Little Boy Lover” symbol:

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So what was the creepy artistic performance in the video? We’re not sure what the meaning of it was, but references to pedophilia have been uncovered in Comet Ping Pong’s musical regulars’ acts. Sex references are no rarity in music these days, but most would agree that pedophilia references takes it to an entirely different level. And with names like “Sex Stains” and “Heavy Breathing,” Comet Ping Pong clearly carries an odd affinity for featuring artistic performers that favor dark and disturbing themes, especially for a kid-friendly pizza and ping pong joint. In an official music video for Sex Stains, a prominently-displayed symbol closely resembles the pedohpilia symbol for “Boy Lover:”

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One song by Heavy Breathing, the lead singer of which calls herself “Majestic Ape,” even includes lyrics referencing orphans:

“My recurring role is puppet in the broadway smash Orphans in Assholes.”

(Note: Heavy Breathing has responded to the #Pizzagate investigation here.)

Indeed, orphans are a common target for sex traffickers, and are a focus of much of the work being done by the Clinton Foundation in the third world. Does the above qualify as proof? Far from it. But as the coincidences pile up, one must wonder if there is at least some aspect of truth to the allegations.

The following video of a performance at Comet Ping Pong isn’t very good, but it’s hard to find any others, as many videos have been set to “private” after the investigation began. Third-party uploaders have almost universally had their own versions removed and their accounts shut down soon after uploading. It shows “Majestic Ape” doing some kind of monologue. As part of the monologue, she says “Jerry is known to hang out down here. He likes (inaudible), tamales–”

After which point an audience member yells out, “And little boys!”

And another says, “And children!”

Majestic Ape replies, “I think that was his manager.”

Audience member: “Noo.”

Majestic Ape: (Laughs) “We all have preferences!” (Laughs)

It isn’t clear who “Jerry” is from the video. But a more complete version, without the commentary, can be found below. This one shows some of the strange art on the walls of Comet Ping Pong, which depicts adults with their hands around the throat of a female child:

We previously reported that Comet Ping Pong had a seemingly suspicious “protected” area of its website with an array of password-protected zip files, as shown below:

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However, one of the researchers has debunked the claim that this is suspicious, as can be seen in this discussion. This development shows that confirmation bias has not taken over the research — participants are narrowing down aspects that are do seem geniuinely suspicious or remarkable by discovering that some of the discoveries, after all, are not. In other words, they are fact-checking themselves as they learn and uncover more.

Onto more pedophilia symbols. Just down the street from Comet Ping Pong is a bistro and art gallery where researchers found pedophile symbols as well, along with boastful associations with Hillary Clinton:

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Next door to Terasol are offices for Beyond Borders, a charity funded by the Clinton Foundation focusing on ending child exploitation in Haiti — the same country where Hillary Clinton inexplicably swept in to get accused child trafficker Laura Silsby off the hook.

The Epstein Connection

Now to discuss another known pedophile with major Clinton connections: Jeffrey Epstein. According to Epstein himself, he was a co-founder of the Clinton Foundation. Epstein was accused not only of having underage sex slaves, but of being part of an extensive underage sex slave ring, and was convicted of sex crimes involving minors (albeit with the most severe charges dropped, and extremely minor legal consequences as a result). The court case revealed accusers who claimed they were forced to have sex with everyone from politicans and businessmen to royalty and academics.

Court papers also claim Epstein’s mansion is outfitted with hidden cameras in order to capture people of power engaging in sex with minors for purposes of blackmail, and his “little black book” seized by authorities contains big-wig names from Tony Blair and Prince Andrew to Michael Bloomberg and even Hollywood star Dustin Hoffman. A highly secretive investor, the precise source of Epstein’s vast riches is a mystery.

Bill and Hillary Clinton have taken trips on board Epstein’s private plane, dubbed by the press as the “Lolita Express,” at different times — both to Epstein’s private island and to other locations around the world. In a rare rebuke to the 24/7 security provided to former presidents, Bill Clinton had the Secret Service stay behind for each of these forays. In addition, thanks to a whistleblower, we know that Epstein sent Bill Clinton $3.5 million from a Swiss bank account. For what, one can only imagine.

(Note: Donald Trump has a documented relationship with Epstein as well, lasting up until Epstein’s legal trouble, with one confirmed ride on one of Epstein’s private jets. He is not documented to have visited any of Epstein’s private islands. Bill Clinton claimed to have disavowed Epstein after the legal trouble, but the $3.5 million bank transfer occurred after Epstein’s conviction.)

Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of notorious news tycoon Robert Maxwell, is alleged to have been Epstein’s central “Madam,” obtaining underage girls for him and his cohorts to abuse. She is also alleged by one of the teenaged victims to have taken photographs of underaged girls, which were posted around Epstein’s property. The court case painted her as Epstein’s “right hand woman,” central to Epstein’s alleged pedophilia sex ring. Here she is pictured at Chelsea Clinton’s wedding:

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Another frequent flier on the “Lolita Express” is a mysterious young socialite girl named Rachel Chandler. Here she is pictured with Bill Clinton as a teenager:

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Chandler’s Tumblr account uses CSS to hide what other accounts were sharing her content and vice-versa, but since this trick doesn’t work on mobile phones, #Pizzagate researchers were able to find other accounts that frequently share her content. These accounts are consistently macabre. They’re filled with images of BDSM, injuries associated with sadistic sex practices, prescription drugs, images of children in severe distress and/or states of injury, weapons, sexual imagery, and occult symbols.

It also contains many images of children recieving dental work, which is beyond bizarre — but seems to somehow connect to Epstein, whose Florida mansion was found to contain not only child’s toys and explicit images of children, but fully functioning professional-grade dental chairs and equipment during a police raid.

A few examples (out of many dozens) of strange images Rachel and her network of sharers have posted, with images of children modified for privacy (Warning: disturbing):

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Someone Fights Back

I’ve mentioned a few cases above where Comet Ping Pong-related YouTube and Instagram accounts were set to private, and Reddit threads relating to the investigation were aggressively scrubbed. In addition, people associated with Comet Ping Pong began removing references to their employment there in their LinkedIn profiles.

Perhaps most interstingly, however, a DDoS (Distributed denial-of-service) attack was launched on 4Chan immediately after the Alefantis Instagram account led researchers to a guy name Arun Rao. DDoS attacks prevent users from accessing websites by overwhelming the servers. #Pizzagate researchers found he was “liking” all of the posts that featured young children, so they looked at his Instagram as well.

As soon as 4Chan users began investigating Rao, 4Chan.org began displaying all the signs of a website under DDoS attack. The likelihood of such an attack being unrelated to developments in the investigation is close to zero. So who is fighting back, and what are they trying to bury? Other than being an attorney with the Department of Justice — sometimes involved in prosecuting child pornography cases — there isn’t much to be found on him. Predictably, his Instagram has since been set to private as well. Given the DDoS attacks’ timing with the discovery of his Instagram, he may be worth investigating further.

Is interference with the #Pizzagate research evidence that there’s something to the claims? It’s worth mentioning that if the evidence was not truly incriminating, leaving it up would only discredit the investigators by revealing them as paranoid, tinfoil hat-wearing loons, and that scrubbing evidence (as has happened) would only increase suspicion. However, it is feasible that even an innocent party would scrub the supposed evidence to minimize  inevitable abuse and threats from trolls drawing their own conclusions from the research.

But the DDoS attacks indicate bona fide attempts to shut down the research, indicating there really is something contained there to hide. Add in threads being deleted or archived overnight, social media accounts being shut down or set to private, videos being deleted from Youtube, LinkedIn pages being scrubbed or modified, and logos being changed in ways that seem to directly correspond to progress with the research, and one can only conclude that taken together, these all seem incredibly unlikely to be the result of innocent parties hiding from an unfair Internet witch hunt.

Reasonable Conclusions

The Clintons and Podestas have quite the number of pedophilia-connected people in their close network. I have one – a now-deceased scoutmaster from childhood who was discovered to have been raping boys. As an adult, I am aware of no one else involved in pedophilia or occult practices. I assume that goes for most readers of this as well. Double the size of my network, and I suspect that the number would still be extremely low. Somehow, the Clintons have managed an extensive network of extremely close associates linked to or even convicted of pedophilia, sex slavery, occult practices, or all three.

(Side note: if there is truth to any of the theories, it would be safe to say the issue is not exclusive to the Democrats, who the research is not targeting in particular. It just happens to have been sparked by emails involving Clinton camp. See Dennis Hastert and the Franklin Scandal for a sampling of accusations on the Republican side.)

You often hear the argument that secrets involving this many people would be impossible to hide. If the allegations are even 50% true, however, sustaining total secrecy is actually quite plausible given that the outlandish, almost cliché nature of the allegations makes them difficult to believe even in the presence of compelling evidence. Also, more importantly, the players involved would have the ability to use blackmail to swiftly destroy anyone who stepped out of line. This point is supported by reports that Jeffrey Epstein had hidden cameras in his home meant for exactly this purpose.

But perhaps most important is this: So far I’ve only recounted a chunk of the #Pizzagate connections and coincidences involving pedophilia and child trafficking; you’ll find if you check out the research for yourself that vastly more have been discovered than what has been summarized here. Even if the coincidences are this utterly bizarre, or hard to definitively connect, when the sheer number of them defies statistical probability, we have an obligation to at least dig a little deeper to see if clearer conclusions can be gleaned — especially when there are children involved. Cases have been tried on circumstantial evidence before, as long as there was enough of it and it was deemed strong enough.

Has enough been discovered to draw a definitive, fully objective conclusion? To be called “proof”? Absolutely not. But for moment, imagine discovering that a co-worker or a mutual friend had a similarly vast web of unlikely coincidences connecting them, even vaguely, with pedophilia or child trafficking. Would you talk to someone? Would you feel mildly concerned for children they come in contact with, and perhaps watch that person more carefully around them? My guess is that you would, and even though a concrete conclusion can’t be made, I think the same attitude of careful suspicion and ongoing investigation is well-warranted in the case of #Pizzagate.

If the old adage holds true that “where there’s smoke, there’s fire,” there seems to be a whole lot of smoke here. A smoke cloud so thick, in fact, that the discovery of fire doesn’t feel too far off.

A Note On Comments:

We understand the controversial nature of this article, and welcome thoughtful criticisms, which as a matter of policy will not be censored. However: ad hominems and attacks without susbtance will not be published, nor will any incitations to harrass, abuse, “dox,” or otherwise attack anyone.

As an additional note, we have labored to only include verified information in this piece. Many summaries on blogs, Youtube, and elsewhere contain mistakes, such as a popular claim that artist and ritual abuse survivor Kim Noble did the art in Comet Ping Pong’s posters and on their walls when, in fact, her art is merely stylistically similar. Some mistakes are inevitable, as even major news outlets make them routinely, but if they are pointed out, we will endeavor to fix them so that misinformation is not included in this summary).

107 comments

  1. Hi, nice post.
    However, two points that has been debunked previously, Ibrahima Diallo is a common name.

    Also there is more than one Andrew Kline:

    /u/RuPaulver:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewkline1 that Andrew Kline
    http://theveritaslawfirm.com/meet-the-team-andrew-j-kline/ the Andrew Kline listed under Besta’s business info. They’re different people.
    Andrew Kline is listed as the agent, btw, not the owner. He likely only brokered the deal for the pizzeria to open in that building.

    This is really well written and researched, really good work. I wonder if you could post the sources to your images?

    1. Also, some more sources that you can link to in regards to the art and associates of the Podesta brothers.
      http://livingresistance.com/2016/11/18/podestas-involved-mccanns-abduction-factual-analysis/
      Having as many sources as possible for the most skeptical minds.

      1. Thanks for these notes! I will update the piece in the next week or so to reflect those very important points, and work on adding sources for the images, which would indeed be helpful to provide.

  2. Rigorously Institutionalized · · Reply

    Good luck. Most of the things that are passed off as “evidence” here would be destroyed in a court of law by any half way decent defense attorney & I’m pretty sure that any of these people mentioned could afford better than half way decent defense council. The ties to the art world & Heavy Breathing videos are particularly laughable given the fact that art has always used disturbing imagery. Whether one agrees with that use is irrelevant because it’s protected under free speech laws. The skeeziness of Bill Clinton isn’t exactly news either. But what also isn’t news is that the Clintons were the target of a political smear campaign orchestrated by the right wing, where people, including state troopers, were paid for testimony.

    When you type statements like this: “The likelihood of such an attack (DDos) being unrelated to developments in the investigation is close to zero,” this is you making shit up in your head. While it may not be unrelated, blaming the accused is a bit premature given the number of college kids that are having nightly “Hillary should be pres.” demonstrations at the universities in my area alone. I’d say it’s equally plausible that one or many of those ticked off liberals, who no doubt live on the Internet like most young folk do these days, took offense at 4Chan’s Hillary Hate/Trump Love & decided to fuck with them.

    This would be a lot more believable if 4Chan wasn’t promoting a Trump presidency given Trump’s equally suspicious ties to Epstein & this somewhat infamous quote:
    “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
    I do wonder what Jessica Slaughter would say about the good intentions of 4Chan folk.

    Also, given the fact that Conspiracy Of Silence, the suppressed video about the Franklin Sex Abuse scandal, said basically the same things about Republicans, yet Republicans seem suspiciously absent from all accusations, does make one wonder about hidden agendas.

    Personally, I didn’t vote for either one of these assholes. Choosing between the pile shit with a penis or the pile of shit with a vagina seemed like an exercise in extreme futility.

    Like I said Good Luck. I suspect that a year from now this will all be a faded Internet memory as attention challenged computer nerds move on to other fresher hunting grounds.

    1. Oh, I agree — I mention several times that none of this is particularly actionable, especially in a legal sense. I also acknowledge that extrapolations are being made, since the material doesn’t yet allow for a definitive conclusion (again, I mention this several times in several different ways.)

      On the Republicans being involved, if it’s all real, I have no doubt that it has zilch to do with the Democrats in particular; they just happen to be the group whose emails got hacked. The Republicans will be included in the accusations when researchers find more linking them — what you call a targeted attack on Dems I think is just a lack of easy-to-find information for the other side. I’m also aware of Trump’s relationship with Epstein, but couldn’t find info regarding him flying on the Lolita Express or other specifics, as I could with the Clintons, which leads me to believe his ties are, although real, not “equally suspicous” as you claim.

      I also go out of my way to mention that the people leading this research are basically universally Trump supporters. On the DDoS attack, the likelihood of it happening to coincide perfectly with the Arun Rao research beginning still seems incredibly unlikely to me to be from a totally unrelated source. So I stand behind that claim, at least for now.

      In summary: the piece acknowledges the bulk of they criticisms you’ve offered, which doesn’t make them unfair or incorrect, but seems a little silly to mention when they’ve already been noted in the piece. Either way, thanks for chiming in. A discussion of something like this demands that we acknowledge the weaknesses and holes and, as I say several times in the piece, right now there is no proof, no smoking gun, etc. That’s why I say to just look at the coincidences so far and draw your own conclusions, until/unless more is uncovered. I think, in due time, more will be. Whether or not it becomes enough to be actionable in a legal sense is another question entirely.

      Lastly, I would disagree about the computer nerds being attention challenged. A lot of them have rather obsessive personalities, and since many of them believe fully that this scandal is real, I don’t think they’ll ever stop digging. Time will tell if that’s true, and if so, whether or not anything truly actionable can be found.

      1. Many high ranking, wealthy & govt related people (including law enforcemnt) of all party affiliations, color, race, etc. are pedophiles & partake in these secretive pedophile, sexually deviate, some satanic based acts. pizzagate is one in a vast network of sickos that have been around for a vey long time. For anyone to poo-poo this by politicizing it, is blind & in serious denial &/or a shill for the pedos. Children are being harmed somewhere, somehow in a very sick manner & you nay sayers have to say is it’s a right wing snear campaign? What a bunch of cowards you are. These are very serious allegations, children are at the center of it; they have no voice. The circumstancial evidence is what we (the sheep) are aware of – but the real truth is out there, fbi, law enforcement have it, it’s damning evidence, for all political parties but they are being protected, and have for decades. justice has been politicized & seriously compromised, this is what these sickos count on; anyone chalking pizzagate up to some anti-hillary or right wing “conspiracy” is only helping these sickos get a way with their deviate crimes against children – try thinking outside your safe space box, use your brain, common sense screams: who is the child w a bloody mouth? How did that happen? Where is she now? Why does an infant have a busted tooth? Who’s baby is it? Pedophilia is not a republican or democrat thing – it’s just plain sick+abusive to children(& infants) – there’s plebty of smoke surrounding pizzagate & I bet you’ll find prominent people in BOTH sides of the political aisle involved!

    2. Nice try shill……the evidence is damning and the Pedophiles are on the run.

      Very objective article btw.

      1. Please exercise restraint. The claims are indeed extraodinary, and expressing honest skepticism doesn’t make anyone a shill. I appreicate your passion for the topic, but Rigorously Institutionalized was just expresssing an opinion that, at this point, I’d expect many others to share. Anyway, thanks for your comment!

    3. scribblerg · · Reply

      You make a common intellectual mistake from the outset regarding what is legally actionable as a criminal matter versus what is worth investigating. If you listen to what Pizzagate folks say, they are asking for investigations to be undertaken by the media and where appropriate, by law enforcement.

      I’m not convinced yet on this issue, but I am convinced that Podesta should be investigated, along with numerous others. If they are cleared, so be it. But the point is that nothing is being done with this evidence. And I don’t care what you claim, the use of coded language is very suggestive. Many people have been investigated with far less evidence.

      So yes, you are technically correct – this isn’t a legal case yet. But that’s a straw man as most people involved merely want a real investigation. Seems perfectly legit to me.

    4. Monika Petersen is dead, got too close to something in Haiti. There’s a lot of smoke here, so there must be a fire burning. Comet PP’s Instagram page has pics glorifying pedophilia, but someone as ‘cultured’ as you probably would call that art.

  3. Rigorously Institutionalized · · Reply

    Thanks for the civil reply. No need to publish this. BTW, in retrospect, I should have said that the story itself was weak, not your summary of the story. It wasn’t a personal attack. You’ve actually done a good job of summarizing what is pages & pages of sometimes irrelevant comments on reddit & 4chan. All a bit daunting if one is time challenged with work & family, so thanks.

    1. Many thanks — didn’t take it as a personal attack at all, but really appreciate it!

    2. scribblerg · · Reply

      Yes, the story is ‘weak’ if you are in a court of law. But not if you investigating in the early stages. And certainly there is plenty of raw meat for any investigative journalist to dig into.

      You seem to feel you’ve taken the high ground but you haven’t. You’ve offered a straw man argument that does no damage to the Pizzagate sage.

  4. Dr. Chocolate · · Reply

    Appreciate the summary as I didn’t have to suffer through 4chanspeak and insidery Reddit threads to get it. It’s not written in inflammatory rhetoric but states the ‘theory’ in full. That’s commendable. In efforts of full disclosure, I don’t believe a bit of it. It’s all sketchy correlations and flimsy threads drawn up by the same internet sleuthers who went after the wrong Boston bomber and basement prankster who love to watch the media jump.

    However the one thing I will agree with, or at least admit too. Jeffrey Epstein and his parties and his social circles is terrifying. Regardless of political affiliation. The fact that it seems there’s no further investigation into his friendships and others involved (unless it’s way discrete – which would make sense) is baffling. He had to have had a decent number of people knowledgeable and involved in all his illicit activities. He’s not coordinating all the ‘logistics’ of that by himself. In that light:

    “I’m also aware of Trump’s relationship with Epstein, but couldn’t find info regarding him flying on the Lolita Express or other specifics…”

    Here you go:
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/09/the-friendship-between-trump-and-a-billionaire-pedophile-that-nobody-wants-to-talk-about/

    Quote:
    “Trump rode on Jeffrey Epstein’s private plane at least once, according to the deposition of Mark Epstein, Jeffrey’s brother.”

    There’s more in the article.

    1. Thanks for your comment! In the interest of balance, I’ll provide a note regarding Trump’s friendship with Epstein and link to that nicely informative article. I don’t blame your rejection of the theories thus far (do check back, as I’ll post follow-ups as this continues) — but appreciate your cordial and thoughtful response!

    2. scribblerg · · Reply

      Epstein has already been convicted of sex crimes with minors.

  5. Bobby Light · · Reply

    Thank you for your excellent research of #PizzaGate. I think there are too many coincidences for this to be ignored, let alone be deemed as ‘fake news’. The probability of this being a pedo ring increases as each bit of information is factored in, and it starts with having a private email server, then destroying it … The email pedo code, disgusting child artwork in Podesta’s office, connections to known pedo’s like Epstein, replacing of comet pizza logos, Clinton ties to Beyond Borders, etc. Anyone who isn’t at least suspicious is not a thinking person.

    1. Thanks for your comment. There is indeed more strangeness being uncovered daily, perhaps even stranger than some of the initial discoveries, which I will include in a follow-up once I can coherently assemble them.

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  7. Pizzagate is real · · Reply

    Video evidence that I find inexplicably odd if not sinister:

    The popular Secret Pizza Party children’s book, still found on YouTube. It is full of references that once accustomed to the code words and subtle references (a racoon being a criminal etc.) is just laughing at regular people that don’t get it. Despite many five star reviews on Amazon, the top reviewer gave it one star well before “pizzagate” started, siting that the overarching message of secrecy reminded them of what a pedophile might say to their victim. The author has also done books such as Dragons Love Tacos and Aliens Love Underpants. They have conotations as well; I am not as versed in all possible code words but I have read an alien may mean a little boy lover. On the jimmycomet instagram he is pictured wearing swirly glasses (the swirl being the symbol for a boy lover) and he captioned the image simply by saying “space alien” — which would frankly make no sense unless there is an underlying meaning.

    Then there’s the 4 or so Eli Sizemore YouTube reviews of places around DC including Comet Pizza — the slogan for all reviews is “where we spend our time so you can have a good time” (videos scrubbed from the internet) — they are plain strange. The reviews are all roughly 40 second clips done in very slited conversation and appear to use similar code words. Vidoes were initially posted 4 years ago. Another place reviewed was a comic shop, the information presented was odd (as all videos were) and the kid mentions that the shop has things other than comics, such as “Diary of a Wimpy Kid” specifically. In one video it ends with the kid that is on camera angry at the person filming him, his name was Chris.

    Lastly I would delve further into Majestic Ape. Their birthday party video at Comet Pizza discussing nothing but coded speech is the most disturbing video evidence there is and includes mentions of euthanasia. Showing this to someone with zero frame of reference (making it 100% indecipherable), they still thought it was disgusting. Whatever they were talking about was simply not normal “inside jokes”.

    Between the major censoring and articles playing up the “poor innocent me” angle on some of the main suspects, now we have snopes.com listing pizzagate as “false”. After opening a page to pizzagate as under investigation for less than 24 hours they have reached their conclusion. Seriously — they looked through all angles in that time when I have studied it for several weeks and am not fully versed…? I would say there is a pedophile ring, to what extent and if the occult is involved I cannot say for certain. They are covering their assess (what are they going to do, say they’re guilty?!) and have plausible deniability on their side for now. They have constructed their online presence in such a way that they can scrape by on flimsey excuses and get away with it; that’s what hiding in plain sight is all about. That does not mean the allegations deserve to be labeled false. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Snopes.com, and other articles surfacing online, have presented few of our main points (or outright made up the information we are investigating), glossed over several other glaring issues, and came to a conslusion just like that? They mentioned none of the three above videos I have sited nor countless other potential connections. Everything addressing this spins it that we are all conspiracy nuts yet none of our concerns have been legitimately addressed. It reeks of a cover up.

    1. Thanks for your comment. I do think it’s interesting that the NYT “Fact Check” article didn’t actually fact check any of the claims at all. At best it was extremely lazy, but one would think if this was all so absurd that debunking at least SOME of the actual research would be relatively easy for them. Instead they just sort of said “Oh poor Alefnatis, he’s getting death threats now” without actually addressing any of the points covered in the research at all. I may include a reference to this in follow-ups. Rather striking for an article with “Fact Check” in the headline didn’t bother to even try to check any facts.

  8. Dave Flintstone · · Reply

    Has the expensive broken hard drive seller “cheesybay” with all the wifi signals and connection to comet ping pong been debunked or is it worth including?

    https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5bch9o/cheesybay_infograph_by_pol_spiritcooking_pizza/

    1. I wanted to hold off and maybe include those in a follow-up. There is just a lot of info to process as it is, and although I don’t think those have been debunked, they added a level of complexity that I thought would make the summary less accessible. The whole Mr. Potato Head/ Hawaii stuff is extremely bizarre, no doubt.

  9. Thank you for this very good summary!
    yes you are right, we need to cool down and analyse the facts.
    Of course the art collection of the Paedestas is a bit creepy, but it’s not forbidden to collect creepy art. It’s also not forbidden to make bad jokes like that ape-woman. And, yes, it’s even not forbidden to take creepy pictures of your kids – although it’s not a good idea to post them online.
    I know people who like to do creepy stuff and have a dark sense of humour – but they never ever would do anybody any harm!
    And you can be a fan of Marina Abramovic without being a perv or devil worshipper. There are many artists dealing with creepy topics. Some of them just like to shock the public or maybe also draw our attention to these things! Art also has something to do with telling us something about society. And artists are sometimes very sensitive people who are feeling the nastiness happening everywhere in that society… so they are more messengers than wrongdoers.
    I think there are other things, which are much more alarming – for example these “paedo”-symbols and also being close with people like Jeffrey Epstein – or that Haiti-“orphan”-scandal.
    Now I see the danger, that there is “disinfo” popping up. But we need some serious resaerch. Your article is a good way to start!

    1. You’re welcome Redlope, thanks for your comment!

  10. I believe #PizzaGate is part of a larger story of immense corruption, based on the #FBIAnon 4chan chat of July 3rd. He hinted at something as large as the pedo ring but also that it was all tied into corruption with the Clinton Foundation. It’s more than just trafficking in people, there is information and weapons too. SAP documents were found on Hillary’s server. Those had to have been manually transferred away from the State Dept’s secure classified email system. WTF could she have needed that stuff for? Many suspect direct links between foreign donations to CGI and arms sales to Bahrain. The scope of the problem makes me dizzy.

    One other thing to consider, is if these allegations are even partly true then the mysterious deaths that follow the Clintons seem to make more sense – instead of the theory that the killings were done by contract killers it’s more plausible that they were done by *volunteers.* The winner of the rock-scissors-paper game was the one who got to do the killing.

    And it’s not just the Democrats. Apparently Dennis Hastert had more problems than just the pedophelia charges.

    I don’t like to pimp my own writing on other people’s blogs, but you may want to check out this story http://bondibox.newsvine.com/_news/2016/11/14/36347525-the-sum-of-all-conspiracies

  11. An Ian Fleming quote comes to mind: Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

  12. Giles Porter · · Reply

    Trump wont touch this. His COS, Reince Pribus, even said so.

    Good luck investigating. Noone else will likely touch it either. BTW, it all seems quite plausible. Keep at it!

  13. Thanks for all this.

    By the way, the WaPo article on Tony Podestas home art indicated the “naked photos of teens” in his bathroom were done by a photographer named Katy Grannan.

    Katy Grannan also did a portrait of Mr. Obama for the New York Times.

    https://archive.fo/vddrO#selection-3905.217-3905.230
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy_Grannan

  14. MorethenConspiracy · · Reply

    Maybe there is more then just pedophilia at work…

    The legend of Lilith derives from a theory that Genesis has two creation accounts (Genesis 1:27 and 2:7, 20–22). The two stories allow for two different women. Lilith does not appear in the Bible (apart from a debatable reference comparing her to a screech owl in the Hebrew text of Isaiah 34:14). Some rabbinic commentators, however, refer to Lilith as the first created woman, who refused to submit to Adam and fled from the garden. Eve was then created to be Adam’s helper. After their expulsion from the garden, Adam reunited for a time with Lilith before finally returning to Eve. Lilith bore Adam a number of children, who became the demons of the Bible. According to kabbalistic legend, after Adam’s reconciliation with Eve, Lilith took the title Queen of the Demons and became a murderer of infants and young boys, whom she turned into vampires.

    The near First Lady… and the near First Woman…

    Ok, that’s a far-fetched idea, but I saw the comment about werewolves in the photograph you have of the creepy freezer that they had, and immediately thought about vampires and their notorious history with children abductions, and that triggered the story of Lilith to come to mind. The baby coffins, and the hole in the ground and other notable mentions just all made me think of vampires.

  15. MorethenConspiracy · · Reply

    Also the dentist chair that just makes no sense in any of this to me. Why else would you need a dentist chair then to work on teeth, and why would you need to work on teeth? Vampires.

  16. drunk in cali · · Reply

    @morethanConspiracy The dentist chairs are used in some bars /clubs to chug booze.
    I should know cause I’ve been there and done that.

    1. Remember, Epstein didn’t just have a chair — he had lights, scalpels, and all the other equipment as well. Thanks for your comment!

  17. lemonnewkid · · Reply

    Laura Silsby now works for the company that creates the Amber Alert technology.

  18. The only explanation for a dentist chair for a serial pedophile is to remove all teeth for safety and more pleasure. Creepy as hell.

  19. […] der Welt entdeckt wird, der vor allem wegen verstörender Bilder und Kommentare Aufmerksamkeit erregt. Für die Pizzagate-Konspirologen ist schnell klar: James Alefantis spielt eine Schlüsselrolle in […]

  20. This is a good compilation of the research of #Pizzagate. I don’t want to call this research evidence, though, because nearly all of it is speculation.

    At best, this warrants a private investigation of the suspects, with emphasis on *private*. What 4chan and certain Redditors are doing is a public witch hunt, which will not only damage the case should it ever come to pressing charges and go to trial, but it damages the reputation of innocent parties who are only remotely connected. It’s a perversion of justice. In addition to law enforcement, we have a federal bureau that conducts these kinds of things, and they know how to operate without the help of “vigilant citizens” and conspiracy theorists. If your response is that these government agencies are all in on the operation as well, I can only surmise that you’re just another loony conspiracy theorist, if not a partisan with an axe to grind against the Clintons.

    If there is an underground sex trade happening (and that’s a giant IF), then a proper criminal investigation needs to proceed. Posting tenuous and outright false leads from dubious sources (most of which you have failed to cite within this article. Was it 4chan?) is not the way to properly investigate a crime. WikiLeaks has revealed their bias against Hillary already, so I wouldn’t take their Podesta leaks as proof of anything. They would be suspects in this investigation as well.

    Look, I’m not a great fan of Trump or Hillary, but there is a big difference between allegations and real evidence and testimony. It’s really easy to plant evidence on someone, or to make someone else look guilty of a crime by connecting two unrelated dots (such as a BDSM “hanky code” and an e-mail mentioning a handkerchief). It’s easy to inject codewords into someone’s hacked e-mails and then point to them as evidence. It is much more difficult to attain and examine actual proof of a crime. There is a reason for the term “burden of proof.” Matching restaurant logos with supposed “pedophile symbols” (again, you failed to cite a source for these) as proof of a child pornography ring will *not* hold up in court.

    Many of these posts can be considered public defamation, which is likely the real reason that these #Pizzagate posts are being pulled offline from Reddit, 4chan, etc: to avoid any potential legal liability. You can’t just publicly accuse people of being secret pedophiles and not expect some blowback.

    Ultimately, this feels like another operation to discredit certain politicians (and a couple of blameless artists whom the Podestas liked) in the name of justice, with a large helping of Satanic panic. So forgive me if I’m not fully on board with the #Pizzagate hysterics. Let a proper criminal investigation happen without an online brigade against these people.

    1. All that said, James Alefantis had a creepy-as-fuck Instagram feed that is pretty indefensible. If anyone is suspicious, it’s that guy.

    2. FYI, the source for the symbols is an unclassified FBI document. Thanks for pointing out there was no source for that; I have now linked to the PDF. I also go out of my way to mention several times that the findings are absolutely not enough for any kind of legal case to be proceeded, so I agree with you on that — since I mention it in the piece more than once, nothing new there. Not sure why you mention that since it’s clearly addressed in the piece. Also, the SubReddit was banned because people were posting things that contained contact info for people which is clearly against the site’s TOC, which is a no brainer.

      I cite a great many sources in the article; kindly let me know which other specifics I failed to cite and I would be thrilled to dig them up and update it. Thanks for your comment! No one blames you for not being “on board,” as this article merely summarizes the phenomenon and, though this writer thinks further research is warranted, the purpose of any opinion piece is to provide an opinion and then let the reader make their own determination — and this is an opinion blog, filled with opinion articles. In fact, the only time I used the word “proof” in the entire article is to say “Proof? Far from it.”

    3. I doubt it · · Reply

      Whenever anyone says they are a fan of or supporter of (whoever) you can bet the house they are NOT!

  21. Cecilia Petersdorf · · Reply

    Well I am a strong spirit filled jesus loving Christian 66 years old who has been sleeping most of her life.. I knew evil things like this existed but sure didnt think our world leaders were involved. I do believe Satan is alive and well and these people raise the hairs all over my body, give me queasy feelings and sick feelings.. But we must keep shedding light on darkness . the Church is no longer asleep. We will be praying. We will do our part to stay informed. We are called to protect the children and others who cannot protect themselves. EVIL will NOT prevail in our country and the corruption will be emptied out.. The evil and vileness against our children will not prevail. just wait and see. if it is true, and my spiritual eyes tell me it is… it WILL be exposed. keep up the invesstigations and we will keep praying and will act when it is time. Praying for the children now that it will come to a screeching halt. We Must protect the children. RIP Monica who apparently gave her life in Haiti for this just cause!

  22. Hmmmm… it is all good and well to point out that much of the evidence presented here would never hold up in court or possibly never be used to build a case, but the same can be said for the Westminster pedophile case in the UK. Twenty years ago there were people presenting evidence much like this research, and it was all tossed aside by those in the police and media at the time. Turnes out later, that everything that came to light in the investigation was true, and the people who were presented with the case file were actually part of the whole sordid business, and buried it to prevent further investigation! The police and media protected those sick pedos right up to their deaths without any of them ever facing a court for their crimes against children. Even Lord Jenner got off by claiming he was too old and infirm to face trial, yet continued to hold his seat in the House of Lords. To this day, both the media and the authorities who should be digging into this with gusto, are protecting these criminals, because of the high profile people they are!
    In Germany, Belgium and Norway, rumours of pedophilia and child trafficking among the political elite have also proven to be true, with some politicians facing jail time and being relieved of their jobs.
    There is much information online that points to this all being connected, it is an international pedophile ring, involving very prominent and well known individuals across the globe. Brushing it off as hearsay and conspiracy is naive!
    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire…and this smoke has set off a fire alarm!

    1. Thanks for your comment, Rian. Indeed, there have been well-documented cover ups in the past. Unfortunately, the horrifying scope and nature of the crimes causes many to dismiss them outright, further empowering the alleged perpetrators in cases that turned out to be true. Thanks for pointing out the precedents in the UK and elsewhere; it’s important to remember that we’ve all seen this movie before — and it turned out that massive cover-ups were instrumental in getting the cases ignored or tossed out, etc.

  23. […] erpressbar zu halten. Das klingt soweit wie eine sinnvolle Strategie, aber wenn Leute wie dieser Autor zentrale Quelle für sowas sind, dann klingt das natürlich irgendwie nach gestörtem, dümmlichen […]

  24. gfsjsfgjgshksghyk · · Reply

    The /protected/ login image has been debunked

    1. That’s great, thanks for sending! I’ll update the article with that link as a source.

  25. […] in dieser Machtposititon. Sein Instagramm-Profil erregt wegen seltsamer Bilder und Kommentare Aufmerksamkeit. Welche Rolle spielt James Alefantis im Washingtoner Pädophilenring, der in Verbindung mit der […]

  26. I’m not buying it, this is a classic case of casting an ever-widening net and cherry picking things that fit the narrative. Perhaps Tony Podesto has a perverted taste in art but I highlight doubt there’s some child sex traffic ring here.

    BTW That article from WaPo is was not scrubbed and it’s adding the misinfo by saying so

    Here is the article, page 1 – 3 of 3:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43480-2004Sep22.html
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43480-2004Sep22_2.html
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43480-2004Sep22_3.html

    Yet some “sluth” has added the conspiracy by archiving it here:
    https://archive.fo/vddrO
    and then claiming that it was scrubbed, hinting at a cover-up.

    The article is 12 years old and since it was published the WaPo website has changed platforms and they clearly archived old material. That is the exact page that is archived, 404 error in the upper left corner included (because the widget doesn’t work on the new platform).

    Speaking of scrubbing, of course the pizza owner scrubbed his Instagram of photos of grandkids and other kids when people started using them saying they were part of a child sex ring. He just said today that his granddaughter is the one with her arms taped to the table, that the photo was a cute photo snapped when the kids were goofing around, as kids do.

    And of course the pizza shop down the street changed their logo, people are getting death threats for crying out loud. They were probably shocked to learn that something a simple as a triangle within a triangle would be similar to that symbol in the FBI doc and had no choice but to change it. There was once a toy manufacture who had to recall a toy because of hysteria started by a women who was on the lookout for the heart within a heart symbol and brought it to the attention of the local news. Google it. I bet if you cast the net further and include the next street over you can find some weird satanic symbols or something in other logos just as conspiracy nuts have done for years.

    I am also concerned that you may have included weirdest pieces of Biljana Djurdjevic’s art in a way that makes it sound like it was at Tony’s house. This article here: washingtonlife.com/2015/06/05/inside-homes-private-viewing/ mentions the names of several artists featured in his home. If we look over all the pieces of work of dozens of artists that we know are featured in his home at the work of dozens of artists sure you are going to find some that have some racy pieces. Is it known these exact pieces are in his house or that he just has some of her work – she has lots of photos without children. Perhaps her pieces featuring children tied up have a story behind them, such as highlighting human rights abuses known to be an issue for Serbian children. Actually ha, I just found something to back up my theory:
    http://www.kunstaspekte.de/biljana-djurdjevic-paradise-lost-2006-09/

    “The main theme explored by Biljana Djurdjevic in the new series of artworks is denied childhood. Exposed to the violence of images circulated by the media, children are portrayed with an extreme realism, caught in the moment in which they are unconsciously shaping a new identity.
    In these artworks, the artist shows the inner nature of the children’s personalities with a skilful attention to detail, concentrating on features such as their lost, questioning eyes or their clenched, tense hands. The scenes are depicted through an abstract environment and these settings go on to serve as a catalyst which transports the children into another realm of consciousness.

    While Biljana Djurdjevic’s earlier works reflected the expressions of violence tied to Balkan culture and drew inspiration from Socialist propaganda as well as from a variety of great artists – ranging from masters of the Italian Rinascimento and Barocco eras such as Michelangelo to more contemporary talents such as Francis Bacon – her new works show a transition in style and subject matter as well as drawing inspiration from Byzantine Icons. The images nonetheless maintain their characteristic still and stark form and the dialogue which results induces the viewer into being mesmerised into a feeling of eternal transfixion.

    War, violence and the shocking images of our times are all hardships which the protagonists of Biljana Djurdjevic’s works seem to have no direct contact with: the subjects seem to occupy a dimension which is at once unrelated and abstract from both our and their own existence. The adolescents of Biljana Djurdjevic works, their children, seem to have just awoken from a dream, caught in the passage between a hypnagogic state and reality – it remains an ambiguity: what is the real dimension, what is the oneiric one?”

    1. Yes, he has Djurdjevic pieces in his home depicting abused children. And of course they have a story behind them! A story of abused children, their consciousness being split by abuse. Most people wouldn’t love having paintings of abused children hanging in their living rooms, but sure — it’s not proof that he himself is an abuser. I also already note in the artcle that he is an avid art collector, with many works by many artists, and the piece already addresses the death threats, etc. these businesses are receiving as a potential catalyst for the changes taking place. Thanks for your note regardless, though. I have added a picture of his living room to show as much, and have edited the language referencing the WaPo article, as you’re correct that the previous wording made it look like manipulation was afoot. Thanks for your input!

  27. Thank you for this information. What y’all are doing is awesome and if true, May save so many innocent lives. It’s disturbing to say the least to think of what the implications are. It seems to me if the children can be identified, this would be the catalyst for a criminal investigation. I wonder if wikileaks found pictures? Has anyone matched facial photos with NCMEC?

  28. […] #PIZZAGATE, CLINTON, & PODESTA: WHAT IS IT, AND IS IT CREDIBLE? […]

  29. https://www.facebook.com/harms2end/ That’s a Facebook page where a (virtuous) pedophile comes out in the open and, using the vehicle of poetry and its symbols, talks about what it means to be a pedophile in today’s society, where pedophilia comes from, and how to heal if you are one or have be abused by one. This link has been sent to many major mainstream news sites as well as alternative ones, all over the place, yet it’s just ignored. Instead, people, like you and your followers perhaps, like the vile, the grotesque, the speculative, and I have to wonder if that disgust is, flipped, some kind of attraction. What to see the real world? Hopefully you’ll feel it too.

    1. Not sure what exactly you’re accusing me of. This is about hardcore systemic abuse, not a pedohpile tortured by his or her urges. Thanks for your input, though, that page sounds enlightening.

    2. Also important to note that preference and fantasy are not crimes, but as soon as a pedophile victimizes someone, a clinical diagnosis does not exclude them from paying the legal price. Just as a clinical psychopath would be held accountable for fraud, assault, murder, or any other crime — even those rooted in their disorder — a pedophile who enacts their fantasies on real people cannot be given a pass merely because they are tortured sufferers of a psychological issue. I understand that many pedophiles were themselves abused as children, just as many psychopaths were either abused or neglected as youngsters, but all sane adults must be held responsible if others. Time may tell whether or not that’s what we have in the #Pizzagate affair.

  30. Great summary.
    You said of the Podestas- “Their friendship with Freud, however, is well-established.”
    Where is the evidence of this? I have read this elsewhere but seen no proof.

    1. I’ll look for the source, thanks!

      1. This is a crucial fact that requires a source. It’s one of the more wild, bizarre connections.
        + If you could establish proof of a Freud Podesta friendship it is a HUGE circumstantial fact.
        + Find out where the Podestas were on May 3, 2007. If they happened to be in Portugal you have the most bizarre fact of the case. Possibly a smoking gun.
        (I cannot find this information anywhere. It seems knowable.)

      2. Thanks for your input, I’ll look for the source. I avoided getting into the other potential McCann connections for a number of reasons, among them lack of verification and the far-fetched-ness of the Podesta brothers being “boots on the ground” for actual abductions, which seems like an incredible and unnecessary risk even if the overall allegations turn out true.

      3. Totally understand that. It’s too terrible, and almost too ridiculous to be believed. The Podesta Wikileaks start May 4, 2007. That in itself lends it self to more speculation. I agree that simply linking the Podestas to another known pedophile is pretty strong in its own right.

      4. Yes, and although I’m not inclined to reject something just because it seems absurd on its face, it does seem odd that the Podesta brothers would be so reckless as to commit abductions themselves. However, arrogance/believing you are above the law can make think they can get away with remarkable things. Either way, if more of substance is discovered along those lines you can count on it being included in a follow-up.

      5. I’d recommend rewording or nixing the part about “well established friendship of Freud and Podesta” if it can’t be substantiated. I did a lot of checking on your article and that’s the biggest claim I couldn’t find a decent source for. I’m just asking, because I’m sharing this around a lot as I think it’s the definitive summary for Pizzagate and I want it to be as bulletproof as possible.

      6. Thanks so much for your comment, and for sharing the piece! I looked for the source I had used for that claim and was unable to find it, so I have removed that part from the article until I can find the source again or until new information comes out. The crowdsourced fact-checkers have helped make this piece as fact-based (vs speculation based) as it is, so thanks again for helping (and for your characterization of it as the “definitive summary”). I’m honored. Far too many claims from “anonymous sources” or no real source at all are being reported as fact, and then are then re-reported on a hundred other blogs and websites, despite the original source being shaky, unreliable, or non-existent, which is exactly what kills topics like this from being taken seriously.

        Fact and fiction, fact and speculation become so muddled so quickly that folks have no choice but to assume it’s all bunk, and I don’t blame them. Thanks again!

  31. While Majestic Ape is creepy, her(?) comments about “Jerry” are in reference to Jared Fogle the Subway spokesman who was arrested on charges of having sex with underage girls. The location of the event is stated to be beneath a Subway sandwich shop. It was a tasteless joke about current news. The audience members yelling out “and boys/children” were just trying to beat her to the punchline.

    1. Not clear why she would say “Jerry” instead of Jared, but thanks for your comment!

    2. How would you know this??

  32. Pizzagate · · Reply

    What are the accounts on Tumblr that are posting images of children in distress? I have done research for myself, stemming from Rachel’s Tumblr, and have yet to find anything like this.

    I’m particularly interested in the dental ones. I see you (or various people) have made the connection between Epstein’s dental equipment and this type of “fetish”, for lack of a better word. On Comet Ping Pong’s Facebook, there is a poster that I think references this:

    https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13087322_1118397111544640_5071211357546523463_n.jpg?oh=c745be548c6d74babdf373195dac9468&oe=58B0F890

    If we can figure out what this means, it might bring us somewhere.

    1. You have to view her account on a mobile device to see the accounts she shares and is shared by.

      1. Yes, I have done this, but I have looked through a multitude of accounts on her post activity and at best I’ll find some mild homosexuality or BDSM. Not strange at all really. Nobody knows what accounts were posting the images listed in the article? Or the potential significance of teeth? There has to be something here if the Tumblr connection is true.

      2. I’ll do some digging — the accounts were known, I should have linked to the one I used. I didn’t explore many of them because the content was too disturbing. Thanks for your question; I’ll look for the account list that was compiled.

      3. Thank you, that will be helpful. I think, if anything, this dental concept might provide some additional insight.

        In relation to the Comet Ping Pong poster I’ve linked above, it seems the artist was inspired by a comic called Paper Girls. Paper Girls has mentions of Satan in the summary, although I would have to dig into the story more to say it has actual significance. Also, this is confirmed on the artist’s Instagram @sophiemcteardesign. Therefore, the artwork itself doesn’t seem too suspicious, but like many of the bands that attend CPP, there still may be some hidden meaning behind the concept.

        It should also be worth noting that a lot of the occult-type artwork Sophie designs for CPP is strangely left out of her Instagram portfolio. And yet there is an undeniably symbolic and occult-esque nature to many, many of the designs posted on the CPP Facebook? Why leave these out, all except a rare few? They are not bad designs by any means.

        In all fairness, I am not extremely familiar with every aspect of progress in this investigation, yet I really hope some potentially prominent people are being researched or contacted, such as Sophie, and the same goes for Sasha Lord (booker for CPP who brings all these abusurd bands to a kid-friendly environment). These people might have important info in regards to some of the strangest observations.

      4. Disregard the speculation about Sophie. It seems I’ve answered my own question, assuming maybe there was another designer. And there is one: Jourdan Betette AKA Magickbat. She does a good majority of the occult artwork.

        As a designer myself, I understand it’s appropriate for her to create designs for the right audience. Despite being an incredible artist, her exposure as a designer is almost nonexistent and her work entirely focuses on this type of Satanic symbolism (if that wasn’t obvious according to her alias). So now my new question is, why would Comet Ping Pong hire someone like her? I highly doubt they just think her work is cool. Perhaps she can provide some insight as to why she feels this type of artwork and the bands that play at CPP are reaching the right audience.

  33. I think it’s worth noting that some of Biljana Djurdjevic’s paintings have dental chairs and some of them are named the “Dentist Society.” I just saw the pics below on your site with the children with bloody teeth. Apparently human teeth are used in occult magic as well. Go figure. I have provided the links below. Cheers and keep up the good work!

    [Her paintings]

    Original: http://www.biljanadjurdjevic.com/Drawings.html

    Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20150710123841/http://www.biljanadjurdjevic.com/Drawings.html

    [His island with a dentist chair]

    Original: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3688656/A-fully-equipped-dentist-s-chair-close-photos-young-girls-backsides-eerie-images-videotaped-walk-billionaire-pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-Florida-mansion.html

    Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20161109023007/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3688656/A-fully-equipped-dentist-s-chair-close-photos-young-girls-backsides-eerie-images-videotaped-walk-billionaire-pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-Florida-mansion.html

    Could just be a coincidence, and I can imagine him having dentist work done at home. But just look at her paintings and the titles. The “Barber Shop” one is also very creepy. Has anyone seen anything related to this on instagram posts? Any photos of chairs that could be used for torture or god knows what?

    I doubt this is a lead, but better to have too much information than not enough. Maybe we can find some links with dental equipment manufacturers in the same way that pizza parlors have been linked?

    (If this has already been posted, I apologize and I’ll delete this. Thanks.)

  34. Geno Brandenburg · · Reply

    We all know that nothing will come of this. No one will be charged and no one will face a jury of their peers. The one thing that I find comfort in keeps coming to mind, “Vengeance is mine” sayeth the Lord.

  35. Pizzagate · · Reply

    I have created an in-depth analysis of Comet Ping Pong’s artwork using some information from this post:

    https://sli.mg/a/NsTH7e

    Nothing ground-breaking, but should be helpful to anyone new to Pizzagate.

  36. Thank you for your research. Perhaps a shit lode of performance art? Certainly Podesta is and admirer of Vladisov Kurkov. Dark Chambers of horror? Muddlesome muggles? Holy Slap Chick….what if it is true? Ahhh…. the Hiatus…suspend belief….be in that gray area. There is a side show (Do I hear a Trumpeting or a Tweeting?) We need to focus on human rights….Our neighbors in Yemen, Aleppo, Standing Rock, and the for-profit immigration prisons in Arizona. But Hey…this is all very scintillating.

  37. […] story, Pizzagate. If you have not heard of this ritualistic pedophile ring, I urge you to read this . It is a lengthy, but unbiased chronological compilation of the many facets of Pizzagate. What is […]

  38. I’m really intrigued by your research. Initially when I caught wind of the #pizzagate scandal (and “spirit cooking by extension) I brushed it off as some sort of right-wing mass hysteria. I’ve covered the topic of Satanic Panic a lot in my own writing and exposed a lot of the media sensationalism behind it. Reading through the emails myself it’s clear that in some instances they are definitely discussing food, while in other instances it seems as if they are using some sort of code in their discussion. Does it imply pedophilia? Not necessarily. I think there are plenty of good reasons for people to want to use code words, especially people in the political arena, but when you examine that combined with all this other circumstantial evidence it is certainly something that makes you go “hmm… maybe there is something to this?”

    Unfortunately, my problem is that when I search for this topic it leads me in circles to these known conspiracy theorists. It doesn’t make the accusations wrong, but it certainly makes me question the credibility of the information presented. I like that you were able to offer a summary of the facts (or the closest you can get to facts here) and what evidence exists to support these claims.

    I look forward to reading your updates as this case evolves.

    1. Thank you Heather. Unfotunately a lot of topics don’t get the time of day because they’re only covered by sensationalistic “conspiracy websites” which people have rejected categorically as pushers of paranoid nonsense, even when those topics have at least partial truth to them. As a result, they’re ignored or shoveled into the “tinfoil hattery” pile by default, without further investigation, even when aspects are well-worth looking into deeper. Alex Jones’ websites are probably the biggest example of this sort of thing.

      I’m thrilled to be able to provide more balanced coverage and look forward to continuing to do so.

  39. Rigorously Institutionalized · · Reply

    Cool, I’m a shill. I’ve always wanted to be a shill. Hopefully the pay is good. Still haven’t seen anything that would hold up in a court of law. I’m sure Twitter & Google love it though. Every post about pizzagate makes them wealthier & wealthier. From their perspective it’s irrelevant whether it’s true or not, they keep getting free content for more advertiser’s dollars. One does have to love the hypocrisy of Internet sleuths who live on computers & smartphones built by slave labor from raw materials taken from mines that are controlled by gangs that use rape as a tool of terror. We’re all pretty much compromised these days.
    I think one could make a pretty damn good case that the rampant spread of kiddie porn is a direct result of the Internet & 21st century computer/smartphone addiction. A while back the FBI released a map of the US with a little red dot signifying every computer in America that they knew had downloaded kiddie porn. The entire map was red. Evidently rich & poor alike have a decidedly unnatural predilection for little kids. Also, given the fact that authorities just busted a pedo ring in Norway & one inside the British soccer league I’d say pizzagate, if true, is one little pebble in a sea of human fuckness. When you get down to it, males, as a rule, aren’t very picky about where they’ll stick their penises. They’ll fuck anything from a dead deer to a toddler to a damn corpse. While 4chan’s motivations are quite obviously political, in the end, proving pizzagate’s truth will literally do nothing unless the underlying sexual sickness that pervades our society is addressed.
    Considering 4Chan’s group predilection for disturbing pornographic imagery, I doubt that they’ll be at the forefront of that debate.
    I do wonder, given the fact that the humans who crow loudest about a perversion are usually neck deep in that perversion (ie hard core gay bashing Christian Republicans who turn out to be closeted gays) one does have to wonder what a good hack into these self styled sleuth’s computers would uncover.

    1. I understand your feeling defensive at being called a shill by other commenters (a characterization I do not endorse,) but wow — you’ve just crafted the most shockingly cynical statements I’ve ever read. If you honestly believe that normal/average men are fine, morally or otherwise, with “sticking their penises” into children, much less human and animal CORPSES, just to satisfy some kind of basic primal sexual urge, that’s a shocking generalization to make about an entire gender making up roughly half the world’s population. If you truly feel that way, that represents a highly dark and disturbing worldview and life must be extremely difficult and upsetting for you. I hope you find more balance in your perspective with time.

    2. Lauren Bierle · · Reply

      Re: “When you get down to it, males, as a rule, aren’t very picky about where they’ll stick their penises. They’ll fuck anything from a dead deer to a toddler to a damn corpse.” …..no mention of just how perverse women can be?

      Also, it’s outrageously unfair to generalize about men in that way. I’m furious on the behalf of the MANY gentle, nurturing men I’ve known in my life who would defend the defenseless at any cost.

  40. You mention pedophilia rings in your article, but there are more. Norway, recently, Belgium, quite prominently, as well as cover ups at the BBC, the Vatican, Penn State, etc. You might want to include a more comprehensive examination of all of these cases to see what they have in common and do not have in common. Code words? Psychologically, is the communal aspect part of the sexual gratification or just necessary to get what they want? Do these cases shed light on the frame of mind of the participants? And the NYT piece needs more careful deconstruction. The NYT only focuses on the site itself and emphasizes Hillary herself, strawmen, as the theory doesn’t revolve around the site of the pizza join itself but starts from Wikileaks and the odd comments. I also am horrified that the staff of the pizza place and ovners are being harassed. There is no proof. The internet should not be a tool for mob justice. Leave people alone. Table outrage absent proof: there is no other ethical choice. I would hope you would make this point clearly sort of up front — you do a great job of hedging and explaining the extent or lack there of of the evidence — but a clear statement against harassment can’t hurt in my opinion. Thank you.

    1. Thanks for your comment, I most certainly condemn the harrassment personally and mention that it is unfortunate, but could go deeper in my condemnation to make the point extra clear. Part of the problem is there are so damn many examples of pedophilia rings being uncovered, and often subsequently covered up, that listing and discussing them all is would entail a whole ‘nother long-form article.

  41. Rigorously Institutionalized · · Reply

    I’m not condemning you or even looking to you for in depth coverage of pedophilia. I’m not even insulted by the “shill” comment. It’s par for the course once a narrative is agreed upon. And it really doesn’t take much digging through the stuff that’s out there to see that a narrative has been agreed upon. Even though the evidence is, at best, flimsy. Without one victim to be found anywhere except in their fevered imaginations, people believe it’s true. Belief will trump facts every single time. Now, anyone who dissents will be a “shill,” and should anyone deeply embedded in the mob of “researchers” happen to find anything that contradicts the agreed upon narrative, I’d bet the farm they will not publish it for fear of exile & accusations of shilldom.
    Actually I only came back here to see if there were any more pizzagate Cliff Notes so I wouldn’t have to wind my way through those long turgid threads of mostly nonsense.
    Since I am, like everyone else on the Internut, a bloviating wind bag who will prattle on endlessly at the drop of a hat, i commented. Don’t take it too seriously pal. Peace.

  42. Rigorously Institutionalized · · Reply

    You think I’m cynical? Really? Then you must be awfully naive bud.
    Here’s a 4Chan “devotee” busted for planning a mass shooting. While investigating that bit of sane male bonding, the authorities discovered kiddie porn images downloaded from…cue spooky music…4Chan.
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/internet/another-4chan-user-gets-busted-fbi
    & here’s 63 pages of news articles, peppered with some commentary, that deal with men who are morally fine with sticking their penises in little kids.
    http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11608
    Also, I really have no idea what you mean by “normal/average.” Normal is generally a term that has very little meaning outside of one’s own head. Ask 50 people their definition of “normal” & I’d bet that you’d get 50 different answers. Average has little meaning outside of mathematics. When used outside of mathematics, it’s a term, much like normal, that has little meaning outside of one’s own head.

    1. I could dig up 63 pages’ worth of news articles about men doing selfless, altruistic, and wonderful things. If you honestly think those articles represent normalcy, mathematical or not, again — I feel truly sorry for you. And if you read my article, you’ll see that the entire discovery is partially based on 4Chan’s depraved history, so I’m not sure what you believe you’re proving here. Anyway, this isn’t a place for absurd and off-topic debates on whether or not men are a race of drooling, animalistic rapists and necrophiliacs. Further comments along those lines will be considered off-topic, unhelpful, and hostile, and will not approved for publication.

    1. Thanks for sharing. I took a look and it seems like that “book” was just published November 22nd of this year, after Pizzagate broke, suggesting that a troll or some kind of disinfo agent created it in the hopes of injecting false information into the discussion to help discredit it. If it were published years ago, I think it would be more worth looking into. Thanks again for sharing though Erin!

    2. On the other link, I believe there is something to the Hawaii/”Fred Flintstone”/Bif Skipman/”Grand Poobah” connection, but for the purposes of my high-level summary I thought it would over-complicate things too much and was a bit muddled to get into. I may include it in a follow-up if it seems appropriate. Thanks for sharing.

  43. […] any sense unless the words they contained were some sort of code. Blogger Ace of Swords claims that the codewords used are “very well-established early internet and dark web codewords for child porn, […]

  44. Alefantes told news outlets (I think NYT, BBC, NPR, Fox…one of those?) that he doesn’t have a basement. Here’s a Metroweekly feature on him from 2015 where he mentions that he does have a basement http://www.metroweekly.com/2015/04/from-scratch-james-alefantis/

  45. Thanks for sharing — I include that factoid in my piece regarding article claiming to debunk Pizzagate, but it would fit well in the summary as well, so I’ll add it there.

  46. Great article, good info….nothing to prosecute, guaranteed with hi-price esquires, would be a waste of time…….however, this is nothing new…this has been going on in DC for years and years…..it is more in-your-face now than ever before because of PC and all the hulaballoo about discrimination. I was told by someone in gov’t in DC, that this is common practice and wide open……this person I talked to is a Doctor and knows DC well….I was shocked….that was 15 years ago….and then this #Pizzagate thing popped up and I said, well, I guess they were right about DC……I believe you have barely touched the surface and you may never know fully…….what really is going on with the pedophiles in DC……and never will, they are hiding in plain view…
    TheFinder

  47. […] any sense unless the words they contained were some sort of code. Blogger Ace of Swords claims that the codewords used are “very well-established early internet and dark web codewords for child porn, […]

  48. Thank you for your work. Good work and I look forward to more. There is so much evidence if you look at the world and the convictions of people with ties to politics, Hollywood, religion, etc that we already know about. Where there is smoke there is fire indeed. I hope more emails come out and I hope more concerned people of the world research on their own and join together to compile more information and I hope they do not cease until every rat bastard scum bag is put away or off this planet.

  49. You say it’s Surprising that the pizza owner is on the list of 50 most influential people in DC, but there is another restaurant owner on the list, also a baseball player and a party planner. So its not only politcal leaders on the list.

    1. I wouldn’t expect it to only be political leaders, but I find those other entries odd as well.

  50. I would be interested in hearing from the Podesta brothers.

    Maybe they could shine some light on this situation.

    I read in her obituary that their Mother Mary adopted 25 children.

    I would love to hear updates on how the men and women adopted by the Podesta family are doing.

    Did they marry, go to school, or raise a family?

    Or were these children tortured, sodomized, sacrificed, and eaten?

    And their internal organs then sold to the highest bidder?

    I really am interested to know.

    Jenny Hatch

    http://www.JennyHatch.com

  51. […] When you add in the context of Bill and Hillary’s numerous visits to Jeffrey Epstein’s “Lolita Island”; the Wikileaks revelations of John Podesta’s penchant for fringe, ritualistic, occult, ‘performance art’; Podesta’s pizza-map-handkerchief (with associated color codes); a cryptic email about a single slice of pizza, etc., the spectre of Pizzagate cannot be written off simply as conspiracy theory nonsense. (More excruciating details about Comet Ping Pong, one of the other Pizzagate pizzerias, next door to Besta Pizza, can be found here.) […]

  52. […] such blogger, operating under the moniker “Ace of Swords,” has been able to compile one of the most compelling summaries on the scandal that I’ve […]

  53. […] such blogger, operating under the moniker “Ace of Swords,” has been able to compile one of the most compelling summaries on the scandal that […]

  54. Penelope · · Reply

    These are horrible people, but I understand what looks innocent to me here: Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?”

    Do you think I will play better dominos if I eat cheese instead of pasta?

    It’s just very informal. Do you think I’ll do better on cheese than on pasta?

    1. That’s one theory. I don’t really see how it makes any sense that one’s ability at dominoes would be affected by their dinner choice, even in a very informal way of discussing it. But thanks for your comment, it’s important to stay thoughtful.

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